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ItвЂ™s just a distraction, or itвЂ™s just gross. If the main characters arenвЂ™t interacting with it at all, it might as well just not exist. Wes: When all thatвЂ™s happening, everything you just described, it doesnвЂ™t make anything more tense. And thatвЂ™s why I call it вЂњGrimdark SauceвЂќ, вЂcuz you have a light story, and youвЂ™re just trying to pour Grimdark Sauce all over it to make it dark, but itвЂ™s not really dark at its core. WeвЂ™re trying to be like, вЂњoh, IвЂ™m so dark.вЂќ Well, actually, the story is not that dark. And so, we just have this weird scenery of everybody getting disembowled, but the storyвЂ™s not actually dark in tone. The protagonists are never actually put in the position to save them, or try to save them and fail, even. It either doesnвЂ™t happen to the protagonist (the protagonists have character shields), or if it does happen to them, it just doesnвЂ™t feel like it matters.Д¬hris: And it also never matters to the plot, is the other thing, because itвЂ™s always a background thing that the protagonists are never trying to actually stop. Now that I have that term, I just see it everywhere-which is the idea that there is super dark content in your story, but it doesnвЂ™t really matter. Oren: The one thatвЂ™s the most obvious problem, that sticks out the most, is what Chris has termed, вЂњGrimdark SauceвЂќ. Whereas it feels like, okay, this story needs to be serious now, soвЂ¦ Torture Town. If it wasnвЂ™t dark in the first place, thatвЂ™s fine.

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And now, youвЂ™re trying to figure out how to change your story to make it dark. You already have goals for your story that just make it dark, as opposed to, you specifically want your story to be вЂњdarkвЂќ. Why do you even bother asking storytelling questions?Д¬hris: If youвЂ™re asking the question, how do I make my story dark? That suggests youвЂ™re already going in the wrong direction.

So the first question is, should your story be dark? And the answer is: it depends, because thatвЂ™s always the answer. So I wanted to talk about that, because itвЂ™s the thing that I think writers sometimes have a bit of a problem with. Sometimes I would even qualify it as Grimdark Town and it doesnвЂ™t seem like a good idea. (laughs) So today, I wanted to talk about making your story dark, because I have read a number of stories recently, both published and manuscript, where the story will just suddenly take a left turn into Dark Town. Our ideas are important, and we are very mature people. Because this is the grown-up world, and you need to accept how real this podcast is.Д¬hris: And weвЂ™re serious podcasters, and you should take us very seriously. Oren: Buckle up, everyone, because this podcast is going to get dark: gruesome wounds, murders of old towns, constant angst. Oren: Welcome, everyone, to another episode of the Mythcreants podcast, IвЂ™m Oren. YouвЂ™re listening to the Mythcreants podcast with your hosts, Oren Ashkenazi, Wes Matlock, and Chris Winkle. Generously transcribed by SpacePineapple.

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